Does the path to winning single payer in the U.S. lie in the states, or in Congress? Would states that rejected the Medicaid expansion accept federal Medicare for All? Join guest Dr. Paul Y. Song, radiation oncologist, president of Physicians for a National Health Program – California and host Brenda Gazzar for a rundown of states’ efforts to pass single-payer healthcare. What’s behind their failure to win? And what can we do about legislators who care more about special interests than about people?